The Real Way of Comparing Engine Designs

Discussion in 'Non Technical' started by Steven, Nov 14, 2010.

  1. Steven

    Steven Active Member

    The Real Way of Comparing Engine Designs

    Hmmm, reading reading reading ... okay the magic formula.

    (Brake Mean Effective Pressure) BMEP = ( kW x 1200 ) / ( litres x rpm )

    okay, lets play.

    VH45 = ( 265 x 1200 ) / ( 4.5 x 5500 )
    = 12.85 bar

    tuned NA zed (i.e. 120-135 rwkw)

    VG30-NA = ( 180 x 1200 ) / ( 3.0 x 6000 )
    = 12.00 bar

    mildly tuned TT zed (i.e. 250 rwkw)

    VG30-TT = ( 330 x 1200 ) / ( 3.0 x 6000 )
    = 22 bar

    a monster zed (i.e. 400 rwkw)

    VG30-XTT = ( 530 x 1200 ) / ( 3.0 x 6000 )
    = 35.33 bar

    okay lets try a F1 car, think that is about 750 hp from 2.4 liters

    F1 = ( 560 x 1200 ) / ( 2.4 x 18000)
    = 15.55 bar

    Well that was fun and what did it prove ... nothing :p
     
  2. URHYNS

    URHYNS Well-Known Member

    I think you're a bit confused with regards to drivtrain losses... Unless I've read you incorrectly, but looking at your Monster Z you've shown a loss of 130 kw from the motor to the wheels.
    I also have no idea what this 'formula' is trying to prove...
    :confused:

    We all know that in the real world, a monster TT is faster than a mildly tuned one which is faster than a stock one which is faser than a VH45 which is faster than an NA VG... Unless you're trying to prove otherwise again with another cute formula??:rofl:
     
  3. Chrispy

    Chrispy Pretentious Upstart

    :rofl: :D

    Lol Ellie!


    And I worked it out for my stock Evo and got 19Bar :cool:
     
  4. URHYNS

    URHYNS Well-Known Member

    19bar for what though Chris??
    What does this Bar figure signify, is what im trippin on...
     
  5. Chrispy

    Chrispy Pretentious Upstart

    Read the article, it's cylinder internal pressure.
     
  6. Steven

    Steven Active Member

    Read the article first, next time

    Read the article first ... not trying to prove anything just found the results interesting.

    Nothing to do with what is faster just what is more 'efficient' use of what is at hand.
     
  7. a2zed

    a2zed Guest

    Top Fuel, 8.1ltr, 8000rpm, 6000kw. 111.11 bar. And it's still only got 1 cam, 16 pushrods and 16 valves.:D
     
  8. Chrispy

    Chrispy Pretentious Upstart

    Not real reliable though :p
     
  9. a2zed

    a2zed Guest

    Rubbish, they almost make it to the end, and even at 500km/h they don't go into the sand trap.
     
  10. Chrispy

    Chrispy Pretentious Upstart

    Lol! :p
     
  11. 260DET

    260DET Active Member

    BMEP is mainly useful for comparing NA engines, it tells you how well they breathe but is usually expressed as a percentage. Its also useful when using a turbo simulator, one of the inputs required is BMEP expressed as a percentage.
     

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